Yet another collection of interesting market quotes. These are essentially predictions from famous market investors and technicians (Caution: lengthy!) Here's what I wrote the last time I posted something like this:
It’s always interesting to collate responses from different strategists. I find that recurrent themes makes it easier to filter out the noise. (Consider this to be similar to the "most widely held" consensus stock portfolio. Only in this case we’re trying to divine the "most widely held" very-smart money strategy. )
So let's find out what the smart money is saying:
Jim Rogers : A currency crisis is imminent, so investors should avoid shorting the market. I’m afraid they're printing so much money that stocks could go to 20,000 or 30,000. Of course it would be in worthless money, but it could happen and you could lose a lot of money being short.
George Soros: The rally may have further to go because there is a lot of liquidity, a lot of investors are on the sidelines. If the market keeps on going up, more of them may decide to join in. You never know how far the rally goes.But I certainly don't think we are at the beginning of a big bull market worldwide.
Byron Wien: I think we’ll get a 1000 on the S&P. I think it’s interesting Art said he’s expecting a pullback. He didn’t get it. We got sideways consolidation Ever since March 9th the market’s not giving people an opportunity to get in and I don’t think that’s over yet. Everybody wants a correction, everyone thinks the systemic risk is over. They are waiting for a pullback to get fully invested and the pullback never comes.
David Rosenberg: The equity bull-run looks overdone: The S&P 500 is priced for around $75 of operating EPS, something I don't see occurring before 2012 (probably won't get the number above $43 per share for this year). This rally has all been multiple expansion — from 15x on trailing EPS at the low to around 23x now. The market is NOT cheap.
With regard to the technicals, they are uber-bullish. Not only has the A-D line broken out to the high side, but the S&P 500 yesterday broke above the intra-day high of 943 set back on January 6, not to mention taking out the 200-day moving average. The ultimate retest will have to wait another day. This market is at risk now of melting up; and, as I said before when I was keeping an open mind regarding the longevity of this rally, notwithstanding my skepticism. That would mean a possible test to the high side of 1,200, believe it or not. That is an observation, not a forecast, by the way. Back when we hit that level last fall, it was a glass-half-empty feeling of being down 20% from the highs; this time around it is a cause for celebrating an 80% move off the lows! The S&P 500 is now up more than 4.0% for the year; the Nasdaq, which was the first of the major averages to break above the 200-day m.a., is up 16.0% year-to-date. The Dow is roughly flat.
Richard Russell: I’m of the opinion that this bear market rally is in the process of topping out. When a counter-trend rally tops out within an ongoing primary bear market, the odds are that the stock market will break to new lows during the period ahead. That means that the stock market will break below its March 9 lows in coming weeks. A violation of the March 9 lows would be a shocker to most investors, and it would be a forecast of an even worse economy coming up.
Louise Yamada: It is almost uncanny the degree to which 2002-08 has tracked 1932-38. Investors probably face years of frustration if they think a new, sustained bull market has begun. Structural bear markets typically last 13 to 16 years. Given the declines that have been suffered so far -- topped only by 1929-32 -- the structural bear has several years to go to complete the repair process.
Until proven otherwise, it could be a bear-market rally but we'll take what we can get. The 2002 low has been exceeded. That could be a very serious event. We don’t know whether it turns out to be a bear trap or if we have new lows ahead. I have no great compunction to be heavily invested. I think you have to be very agile and maintain trailing stop losses on any position.
I don’t think we can proclaim we are out of the woods yet. It’s the rallies and retreats that create consolidations, which eventually form bases for a new bull. For now, hone your trading skills. Best case, we are in an era of a trading range.
Michael Steinhardt : We’ve had a massive rally. We’ve had a massive injection of stuff into the economy: TARP etc. and the ultimate effect is hard to know at this point but my sense is this will not change the course of things. The economy is weak, it will remain weak. My net feeling is that this rally does not have that much more to go, and the dangers out there remain substantial.
Stephen Roach : This is an unusually synchronous recession for the global economies. Usually, in a global recession, half the world's economies contract while the other half is rising. So when the rate of contraction moderates, the balance swings pretty sharply towards expansion.
This time, as of mid-2009, 75% of the world's economies are contracting and so the balance between contraction and expansion is skewed towards weakness. That will limit the upside for the world economy.
Due to these reasons, the current global rally in equity is not justified based on fundamentals. The recovery being priced in is a V-shaped recovery which is unlikely. The markets have run ahead of themselves and should correct. The green shoots will turn brown this summer.
Jeremy Grantham : Everyone is looking at their cash and wondering what to do. Market isn’t too expensive or too cheap. It’s a very uncertain world, markets may not come down again materially, of course it may. Can’t risk being left behind for years. Even if the market comes back, it’s not the end of the world, because you still have cash left. If it comes down, you still have gap between neutral and maximum, and you pick your points.
I pointed out that there was a very strong 46% rally after the 1929 crash without the encouragement, without the moral hazard, without any increase in money. Markets once they hit a high and come down, have a half believe that they are entitled to go back. It would have probably come down without the exceptional circumstances, which are the massive stimulus and unprecedented degree of moral hazard. I picked out a number 1000-1100, which was basically a number which at 750 would have shocked. Cannot afford to be too bearish.
Robert Prechter: We hope people have enjoyed the nearly 40% rise in the S&P, nearly a 30% retracement of the decline from 2007. We’ve had response of the commodities and the corresponding decline in the dollar. I think this is part of the reflationary trade which should last through summer and it’s a good time for people to use the uptrend to their advantage.
Once you get into a net deflationary period liquidity is the entire driver. So you get falling markets all at the same time, and now you’re getting a rebound in all of this together. You need to look at market timing above everything right now because all the markets are coordinated moving more or less together.
When you are looking at longer term trends in the market, you need to look at longer term expressions of optimism and pessimism. For example, from 2000 to 2007, Dividend yields were really low at close to 1.4%, had very high PE ratios. Those have not improved, and that’s part of my argument why this is a bear market rally. We need to go down a number of years after this rally is over for those indicators to reach more normal bear market bottom type numbers.
The degree of rise we were predicting in late February was a primary degree, which indicates a pretty darn big rally. That also indicates a very strong turn towards optimism. So you’re seeing essentially a reflationary recovery. This is all classic. And it could take anywhere from a few months to a year for this partial recovery.
Economists will say the recession is over. People will say this is a new bull market. And that was THE bottom. And for us that was a very important bottom that’s why we got out of all our shorts. Similar to the rally from November to April 1930 which retraced 50% of the drop. People said the worse is over and we’re back in a bull market. I think this is a normal bear market rally but it’s a big one. It takes time to get used to it. In a few months people will be saying I get it , this is a new bull market., but remember at the bottom they weren’t saying that.
Kevin Lane, Fusion IQ : Since markets are a discounting mechanism they try to look ahead. Hence a few months back the markets were probably anticipating the not-so-bad economic data we are now seeing. Thus Friday’s bullish non-farm payrolls actually led to a sell-off after the initial euphoria faded. This selling on good news was most likely due to the fact that the news had been anticipated. Now one day of selling into a rally on bullish news does not make for a raging sell signal; however, it should at the very least make one start watching more closely to see whether bullish news in the coming days and weeks will lead to more of the same activity(i.e. selling the good news) that we saw on Friday.
At some point we are likely to get a testing sequence and selling the good news could be an early signal to take some chips off the table after a near 50% run off the lows.
Michael Kahn The broader market's been flat in the past week. A short-term rally could be in store. After internal market measures sprung to life in late May, the stock market broke out to the upside on June 1. But even with rather nice looking price action that day, the bulls have made zero progress since then.
There are two schools of thought on what this means. The first is the old Wall Street saw, "never short a dull market." Indeed, with shrinking volume and tight daily trading ranges, it does appear that the market is preparing another attempt to rally.
In technical classrooms, such diminished activity or, for lack of a better term, boring trading, tells us that the market is storing energy. On the charts, price action is coiling tighter like a spring and eventually that spring is going to uncoil.
Given that the trend from March is still up and market breadth is still pretty good, conventional wisdom of not selling this market short seems very reasonable. And faced with the same breakout from a similar trading range as we saw in May, I would make the same call -- more upside.
However, I want to reiterate what I wrote last week that despite the breakout, upside potential was limited. For the Standard & Poor's 500, the May trading range suggested an upside target of 982
Jeff Saut It is a mistake to get too bearish on equities. Maybe you don’t want to “play” as hard as we did at the March “lows,” but in terms of shorting stocks, we have NO interest! Manifestly, there is just too much liquidity supporting stocks
A Dow Theory “buy signal” will be rendered if the D-J Industrial Average and the D-J Transportation Average can better their respective January 6, 2009, closing highs of 9015.10 and 3717.26. If that happens, it would be termed a new bull market according to our interpretation of Dow Theory. Whether that occurs, or not, we think the emerging/frontier markets have already embarked on new bull markets.
Nevertheless, we are maintaining our cautionary stance. While we think the recent rise in interest rates, and the dollar’s dive, are head fakes, there are some worrisome signs. Corporate equity issuance is one of them. Indeed, corporate equity issuance has surged to an all-time high and insider buying is abnormally low. Meanwhile, risk appetites have risen dramatically and market breadth is deteriorating. Further, there are some inconsistencies with past initial “legs” of a new bull market. Firstly, the volume characteristics are lacking. Secondly, the number of stocks rising above their respective 200-day moving averages is short of historical precedence. And thirdly, Lowry’s Buying Power/Selling Pressure Indexes are short of all new bull market readings.
Mark Hulbert The recent surge in the supply of shares has caught the attention of Ned Davis, the eponymous head of Ned Davis Research. He has found through his research that it is optimal not to focus on monthly totals but instead on a rolling 13-week window. On this basis, according to Davis, recent corporate issuance has been exceeded historically only by two other occasions -- early 2000 and early 2008.
Those were "not great times to buy stocks," Davis notes dryly.
Davis also draws an even more ominous parallel to the recent corporate rush to sell stock: "This high level of [recent] supply is one of the key characteristics of the monster rally in November 1929 - April 1930."
According to TrimTabs, corporate new offerings since the beginning of May have been nearly five times greater than corporate purchases. TrimTabs is quite bearish, recommending that clients be 50% short U.S. equities. "Stock prices are going to fall hard," they predict.
Steve Leuthold : Market is still undervalued but not by much. June could be pretty impressive. A lot of institutions are underinvested. Waiting for a correction becomes harder and harder, you’ll see capitulation, you’ll see a number of institutions which are maybe 10% under benchmark and you’ll see a big move.
Endowment funds want to be closer to their benchmarks. You’ll see a gradual improvement in institutional psychology. If you want to capture the returns of the market, you need to be in this year, not next year. Market moves ahead of the economy, by the time economy comes out of recession, market could be up 50%.
John Murphy stockcharts.com As good as the spring rally has been, I believe the market is still in need of some corrective action (or consolidation) before moving substantially higher. V bottoms are extremely rare. W bottoms are a lot more common. So are head and shoulder bottoms. It seems unlikely that the market will continue to rally in a straight line. More basing activity is most likely needed. And that’s going to require more time.”
John Hussman: Presently, the price-to-book ratio on the S&P 500 is about 1.9. If you think about the 1974 and 1982 lows, we observed price/book ratios at about 0.8, while price-to-normalized earnings multiples were at about 7. So the S&P 500 would have to drop by about 60% to match the best valuations that we've seen during the past 40 years. Investors shouldn't kid themselves that stocks are cheap – in the sense of being priced to deliver outstandinglong-term returns – just because we've observed a wicked decline. We're not even close.
I continue to believe that it is a mistake to treat the recent advance as if it has significant information content about the economy. We are observing only smaller negatives (and even those may only be a reprieve based on a temporary lull in the mortgage reset schedule).
What about the March low? Given the recent advance, shouldn't investors treat that as an “absolute” buy level now? While it may sound absurd, it is not at all clear to me that the March low was the final low of the current cycle. Yes, it might have been (and we are willing to accept some amount of market exposure if our measures of internals improve), but I believe that investors should not rule out even the 500 level on the S&P 500 as a plausible outcome over the coming 18 months.
David Fuller: I am certainly not moving away from my view that this is a bull, since much of what we have seen since last October and everything since March has been consistent with a new bull market. However, extreme rallies to break the previous downtrends are often prone to lengthy pullbacks and ranging, because they discount improving or less bad news very quickly.
Where the corrections occur, they are likely to be sharper in high-flying emerging markets but delay the next upward move on Wall Street for longer, because it is underperforming and is a much bigger market.
Albert Edwards: I have to report that one of the most reliable indicators of an equity bull market, the Coppock Indicator, has just delivered a massive equity buy signal. Of course, this would not be a problem if I were not still underweight equities…
This is one of the most reliable technical indicators, suggesting we are in a new long-term bull market.
Goldman Sachs: We believe that for the remainder of the year, equities will be far more dependent on the path of fundamental economic data than on the amount of new equity supply. Additionally, we believe the bigger risk for equities is dis-inflation turning into ingrained deflation, rather than capital raising.
Marc Faber I would say that the entry point for people who want to buy equities around the world is a high risk entry point because the global economy has bottomed out. There is little potential to grow very strongly. So, there will be disappointments in terms of earnings in the second half of 2009. The gravy is a bit out of markets. India was below 8,000 on the Sensex and has gone up almost 100%. I don’t think it is a very good time to make an entry into the markets except for traders.
The skepticism of many investors about the sustainability of this rally is reflected in the still relatively low bullish sentiment readings. I expect that before the current upside move comes to an end, the “Bulls/Bear Difference” will reach close to 40! At the same time, I would expect at the next market top to see at least 70% of stocks above their 200 day moving average.
Paul Kedrosky: Should not underestimate that there is a big unwinding still going on across all asset space, as institutional investors revisit how big should my allocation be given performance and how big my allocation be towards alternate assets, given that their portfolio size is shrinking.. Rebalancing across the board.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see us saw-tooth our way considerably higher through the year. the S&P could approach 1100 by year-end, which would translate into the Dow well above 10,000. And that’s because there continues to be so much skepticism about so many things which is the hallmark of a bear market, and I do believe the bear market hasn’t ended. This is the world hasn’t ended trade plus the inventory restocking trade.
My take is that we go considerably higher through the year as people continue to dismiss this rally, and then in the early part of 2010, you know what this looks like some sort of a double dip, and stocks should sell off again..
Chris Wood, Global Equity Strategist of CLSA: I was expecting what I call a counter-trend rally, driven by a counter-trend rally in the S&P this year. The key point is that the S&P in the fourth quarter last calendar year went further below its 200 DMA, and at any point since 1932, in the midst of the Great Depression. So, it was almost inevitable that we were going to have a counter trend rally at some point in 2009. Actually, I thought it would start with the arrival of the new administration in January-February, but it didn’t start so much.
My guess as to how far this rally can go is 1000-1050 on the S&P, but I am viewing this as a counter-trend rally in a secular bear market for the US. I have a different view for Asia and India. I believe Asia and India remain in a secular bull market. So I have a fundamentally different view for the Western world and Asia.
when people realise that it is an L-shaped situation in the US, not an U-shaped or V-shaped recovery, you will get renewed correction. But my view is that next time the Western stock markets go down the Asian markets will prove much more resilient. But this process is incremental; it is not going to happen on a 12-month view.
I would expect a retest of the 660 level in due course in the US if the equities correct and it coincides with the new dollar rally because the dollar rally is on deleveraging. But if the dollar keeps declining, the lows on the S&P need not be so large because some of the downside will be taken on the dollar.
I don’t believe in a world where the S&P revisits the lows of March. I don’t think the Asian equity markets, India, will revisit the lows because the Indian economy has demonstrated its domestic demand-driven resilience this year. We are now getting people talking of 5.5-6% growth - a few months back the RBI had come out with statements that growth was going to be much slower than expected and it said that growth was going to be 6%.
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